this isn’t just boomerhumor, you missed something

  • KSP Atlas@sopuli.xyz
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    32 minutes ago

    when i first saw this meme i thought the left one was a dark fountain from deltarune lol

    I mean they do represent fiction

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    4 minutes ago

    this is a nuanced topic. as much as this meme is trying to be intelligent, it’s just as dumb as what it’s critiquing.

    you learn to think from books, but film and TV exercises that thinking. in film you’ll find symbolism and metaphor and meaning, intentional or not.

    being able to extract that is intelligence, not raw facts. americans love to boast about how educated they are and about the virtues of education, but why are there millions of users of goodreads and letterboxd and few can write a coherent paragraph about a book they read or a film they watched?

    it’s because of this type of braindead thinking–it’s all about imagination!!! imagination is great, but it’s really about thinking; it’s about not being stuck in thought patterns that lead nowhere.

  • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    I have aphantasia.

    How does reading and watching it in your mind’s eye change anything from just watching it on a screen?

    I prefer audio books because it allows me to critically think better during because I can listen and think at same time, but reading words takes more brain power.

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      16 minutes ago

      aphantasia - the inability to voluntarily create mental images in your mind’s eye.

      I guess this extends to reading? I wasn’t sure if that would count as “voluntarily” since it just seems to happen for me.

      I read to my kids every night and if there is a movie of the book we’re reading, I will finish the book with them before we watch the movie. In this way, the images they have in their minds as we read are theirs. Sometimes interesting things happen in your mind when it needs to create its own images and I think this is a personal part of reading that makes it more than just consumption but also a creative act unto itself.

      Once Hollywood has made Jennifer Lawrence the protagonist, that’s all you’ll be able to see ever again.

      However none of this would apply in your case so read or watch or listen however works best for you. Personally I find audiobooks a terrible way to read. My mind wanders instead of focusing more on the text. I realize I’ve been thinking about someone else for several minutes, and ultimately don’t retain as much from the book in the end. It’s like “having the tv on in the background” while doing household chores. That’s fine for stuff I don’t really care about, if I just want to relax and divert my mind. But if I really want to enjoy the book and get everything I can from it, I need to read it.

      Brains are obviously different. You can listen and think at the same time. I can read aloud to my kids while thinking of what I need to do at work tomorrow. However if someone is talking to me there is no way I can think about anything except the words coming out of their mouth. This is so much the case that if a person talks haltingly or takes a long time coming to the point, it physically hurts me because my brain is locked on them but they aren’t using it efficiently.

    • Strider@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      There’s really no difference in the medium or different methods of transmission. It’s possible to imagine the same.

      I am very interested in thst condition, if you want to tell about it, like you can not imagine anything really or with some limits or whatever.

      • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
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        8 minutes ago

        I’d say that my imagination isn’t effected. It just doesn’t have mind’s eye images to go along with them.

        Best way I can describe it is that it’s like a computer without a screen. The computer knows what the image looks like and it could put it up on a screen if one was attached but it doesn’t have the screen to do so.

        I get the “sense” of an image. Like it’s almost there and I could tell you all the details of the image I am trying to imagine.

        If you have any questions feel free to ask anything, I enjoy discussing it

    • RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip
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      12 hours ago

      I guess it’s a matter of preference, because in my mind there’s no way listening takes less brainpower than reading.

      • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
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        17 minutes ago

        I’d equate it to baking a loaf of bread from a recipe.

        If I had the recipe read to me while I was make it I could focus 100% of my attention on making the bread.

        If I had to watch a video I would have to watch, pause, then complete the step. If I was reading the recipe I would have to read a step and then do it. My attention would become broken in ways.

        If I knew how to make the loaf I could listen to an audiobook while making it. There’s no way I could read a book while making it.

      • Baŝto@discuss.tchncs.de
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        9 hours ago

        That’s probably very different from person to person, since its different how well they can parse heard words and seen words. For me hearing is way faster, but I’m also more likely to confuse sounds than characters.

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          14 minutes ago

          I cannot read unless I know what each word is. I can skim something and look for keywords and get a gist but to really understand something I am processing at least parts of every word in my inner voice.

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      12 hours ago

      We usually think in linguistic concepts even when reading a book, one of the most difficult things to do with a student when they are learning drawing is teaching them to really see instead of thinking of linguistic traits. I have aphantasia and it is difficult for me to recall visual traits so instead i focus on visual recipes, or construction while drawing. It is difficult for me to recall faces for example but if i reduce a face to geometric shapes and proportions and do a lot of trial and error so i can approximate a face I’ve seen.

      So when reading is not that I am seeing things, but i am making a conceptual map, an abstraction. Kinda like how dreams are like stories we tell ourselves to the point they might seem like intangible images. Sometimes I feel my brain relate stuff i read to things i’ve already seen, or builds some conceptual bridge between known concepts to unknown ones.

      But reading is also a practice on itself different than hearing. Language has aesthetics, rhythm character. I feel i learn more about the aesthetic beauty of language by reading it on the page than hearing it on an audio book because it forces me to build that bridge between my horizon of understanding and the authors’.

      This is especially true for authors that have an entirely different background than me because to understand them i need to read slower and research. Something that audio books doesn’t allow with it’s predisposed presentation.

    • naught101@lemmy.world
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      15 hours ago

      I don’t think this is very related to phantasia… With a book you can stop and think about things (imaginatively or critically). With video your entire attention is captured and it’s quite difficult to step away from the narrative being presented. In my experience audio is somewhere in between, and I’m able to zone out on my own tangent sometimes (but this is annoying, because I miss things)

      • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
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        49 seconds ago

        You could pause a movie or show

        I can zone out on my own tangents with video or audio and it relates to the video or audio.

        I will zone out reading and it will be about completely different things and I’ll realize that I really haven’t gotten anything I just read.

        I have to focus on reading, understanding, critically thinking

        With video and audio, it’s just understanding and critically thinking. I don’t have to focus on telling my brain the information.

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      15 hours ago

      I do too, and I didn’t know it was different for others until I was an adult. When I was young they used to guilt trip me for wasting my intelligence because I hated books.

      I grew up inspired by creative world building shown in movies like LOTR and in games. I read more than most people, but it’s never books.

      I hate how so many people fail to consider others might not have the same perspective or needs.

      • Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        44 minutes ago

        I get as much enjoyment from technical books that I read for career and personal reasons as I do fiction, so I usually read non fiction as it at least has a purpose for me. I wonder how much is related to my not being able to visualize anything.

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    18 hours ago

    What did I miss? The guy pooping? And this is just boomer humor. Books are great but visual art can do the same thing for my brain.

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    I read a lot of SciFi when I was a teen. I learned not to bother seeing the movie if one was made. They always got so much wrong, and by “wrong” I mean it didn’t match my imagination.

    This is why I’m currently hesitating to watch Hail Mary Project.

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      11 hours ago

      I’m a big fan of the book. Couldn’t stand the movie.

      I was really surprised because, while I have a track record of hating adaptations of books I’ve read, a lot of my friends that had read the book absolutely loved the movie. So I thought maybe it would be okay, even if I didn’t love it. But I couldn’t finish the movie at all, I didn’t even make it halfway.

      Out of curiosity, have you watched and read 2001: A Space Odyssey? How did that comparison go, if you have?

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      17 hours ago

      Well, I’m glad I didn’t read the book then. I watched it with no expectations going in and had a great time.

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      16 hours ago

      The movie actually gets it mostly right. It’s not 100% true to the book, no movie can be but it’s pretty damn close.

  • Baŝto@discuss.tchncs.de
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    9 hours ago

    I disagree, books can never have as colorful worlds in my head as movies an comics. Unless I watched the movie before I read the book. Book is just slower information transfer than audiovisual, but it’s not limited to what can be visualized. In the end both is passive consumption unlike something active like videogames