So much for the constitution
You’d think with a title that says “California just passed a law”, that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Edit: The bill was passed in the Assembly back in May. This is a nearly 3 month old article.
Good luck with that… 3D printers are not complicated and you could build one yourself if you wanted to.
Have a friend with one print you one.
I’d love to know how they expect printer manufacturers to do this, given all they do is read gcode. Do the legislation makers even know what a slicer is?
I went to a CA committee hearing (and I got to meet Louis Rossmann in the process) and I guarantee you the people supporting this bill and the committee voting on it generally have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
Of course they know what a slicer is. Most of these people existed long before pre-cut loaves were sold at the stores.
Absolutely fuckin not
Are we even fucking free any more?
Just configured my router to block my new printer. Looking up how to set up Linux to block my slicer. Fuck this sucks.
Airgapping is the way
They’re using weapon printing as the wedge, but this is really about protecting all manufacturers.
This is the thing imo. Come in under “ban ghost guns” but 10 years from now you try to print a new battery door for your remote and get blocked because the design is the property of Samsung.
Fuck Bambu and co, I’ll keep my voron around as long as humanly possible
It’s more about protecting companies like Disney, Nintendo, etc, not replacement parts. 3D printing is rife with copyright infringement, and companies like those would absolutely love a way to block their IP from being printed, or to be able to sue those who do it.
…and this is why roght to repair laws need to be enforced heavily. If your stupid joystick is broken on purpose so you can squeeze $100 out of me every 6 months, i have a right and duty to correct it for myself and anyone who asks.
(But fr tho stop buying nintendo products. They absolutely arent worth the moral weight and consumer disrespect. Pokemon is an incredibly lazy rpg design meant to sell toys)
Hate or love Nintendo, you gotta admit Mario Odyssey was a fucking good game; but I’m a sucker for 3D platformers. Personally, I hate Nintendo, but love Mario and Zelda and such, so it’s a complicated relationship for me. Like sleeping with your toxic ex every couple of years and then remembering why you left them.
There is a single light of science and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.
Even more pointless than DRM on movies.
https://all3dp.com/2/how-to-build-a-3d-printer-from-a-kit-or-from-scratch/
Don’t worry. It won’t be long before possession of an unregistered 3D printer becomes a crime, too.
I thought this bill did that, but it looks like they crossed out the consumer circumvention clauses anyway.
That seems like a nightmare to set up.
Feels like people casually mocking car registration by pointing to the Hot Rod from Home Improvement.
I mean, sure. It can be done. But I failed to install a water cooling kit in my computer after a very long and harrowing weekend. I’m not fucking with this.
It more like mocking car registration because every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day, the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration, there’s no mechanism to enforce registration, and the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars. The motivation for requiring registration is also to stop people from driving full speed into fast food restaurants is custom built murder buggys. Yeah, you don’t want people to do that but it’s not like it really happens all that often.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch. It’s basically screwing parts together and plugging colored wires into matching slots.
every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day
How many cars does the city demand be produced each day? Cause my own city of Houston sees over 380k new cars sold annually.
the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
there’s no mechanism to enforce registration
Until you get pulled over
the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars
A plastic car that can go maybe a few hundred miles before falling apart if it’s made perfectly.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch
You can build cars from a kit, too. But I’m not going to do that when I can buy a used Corolla or KIA for couch cushion money and drive it into the ground over the next fifteen years.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is, because you went a bit too far with the analogy.
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
This was about regulating 3d printers, not guns. A diy printer, a new drm printer and an old not-drm printer produce the same quality output.
A diy 3d printer is just as durable as a purchased one.
If your goal is to have an unregistered car, or in this case a drm free printer, the law seems silly when you can get one for cheaper than the “proper” one and have it out together in an afternoon if you have highschool level mechanical aptitude.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is
3D printers produce plastic crap.
Okay? What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
Is your point that it’s okay to put unenforceable, easily bypassed restrictions on stuff if you think they’re bad?
Same. Unfortunately I wasn’t born blessed with those levels of autism. I see a complex project that’d be awesome for my hobby and I change hobbies.
California also wants firearms manufacturers to develop a system that stamps your serial number on bullet casings when fired.
Lmfao, as if machining gun parts isn’t alreafy so easy it’s problematic.
And the primer. They want the firing pin to stamp the serial.
Haha yeah. I think they know it isn’t possible. Just trying to ban people from having guns one way or another. Disarm the cops and the other Nazis and then we can talk about mine.
Exactly. They’ve got another thing coming if they think I’m going to disarm while these fascist fuckers are acting up.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
They’ve just admitted that it won’t work. It will rely on a bank of banned designs which means anyone can just modify them until the algorithm doesn’t recognize it as such while still being functional or simply make their own designs. Whoever finds a way to evade those restrictions will pass on the word.
Sucks that this will act as a push to lock down 3D printer firmware for everyone else though. Mass enshitification inbound. The only hope I see is that 3D printer manufacturers will simply get out of California as a result instead because the expense of developing such an algorithm and the risk of fines if it is not performing well enough are too great to be worth it.
Any such algorithm would be patched out of a jailbroken version of the firmware in minutes. 3D printers are already running on FOSS, so this is worse than useless. Anyone who wants to print a working gun will be able to do so trivially.
3D printers are already running on FOSS
That’s what the bill is designed to stop.
I don’t think they know what it’s designed to stop. Seems like this is pretty clearly just a piece of conspicuous legislation passed just to make it look like they’re actually doing something.
How would this even be enforced?
Like, it seems like it would be a trivial process to just install a firmware package without the blocks.
It’s probably just an extra charge they can throw at you if your house ever gets searched. Fuck hobby enthusiasts I guess
Not true (yet). Could be later, but for now, there’s no crime for circumvention.
And small businesses.
It can’t. They want to destroy 3D printers and Free Software in general entirely.
From Lewis Rossmans bit on this from this morning, an internet connection and third party AI scanning tools.
So its a whole bucket of “fuck that noise”.
it’s enforced by stopping most people from trying to get into making 3d printer software. Imagine if california made browser drm required: no more open source browsers
Don’t give them ideas
Digital signatures and closed firmware.
Soooooooo, go buy a new printer now is what I’m hearing.
Fuck this country.
Has a 3d printed gun been used in a crime? Ever?
Ask Luigi Mangione
Did Luigi Mangione do anything wrong?
News to me.
Not all illegal activities are morally wrong.
Just like how not all law abiding citizens are moral.
Very good point. Planting evidence of a crime is itself a crime. /joke
No because it isn’t possible to make a working gun with a 3D printer
However it is possible to make a gun with a few supplies from a hardware store
Brian Thompson ?
Truly the type of people that need saving.
Its not like americans can be trusted not to make their own bang sticks so fair enough.
not much more difficult to make a much more effective gun out of stock metal (or so I’ve heard), but they don’t mandate government surveillance on the personal property of every person who owns a welding torch
Although metal working requires skill, but downloading and 3d printing stuff not so much.
From what I’ve seen, 3d printing a firearm isn’t worth the trouble. Especially when you can get 80%'s and finish them with a drill press.
80% Glock frames only require simple hand tools.
That kind of metal working? Just to make a dogshit pipe gun that is mostly likely unsafe for the user too? Really doesn’t require a ton of skill. Probably more than using a user friendly 3D printer but probably less than a fiddly one.
Making a full on machine gun is literally one of the original cottage industries. They’re hard to design but the actual fabrication can be so dumbed down that you can make it out of non un-common household tools with minimal skill.
Some of the tricky bits are making the weapon fire slower, so it doesn’t jam or get so hot rounds fire before they’re actually in the chamber. Or just keeps firing because releasing the trigger wasn’t enough to keep the recoil from keeping it going.
If your goal is to give everyone in the UK too young, old or woman to draft a machine gun to make the Germans regret invading, then a horde of cockney 8 year olds with uncontrolled machine guns and poor trigger discipline is certainly a choice.
Getting a proper industrially manufactured firearm has never been easier.
The paranoia around Ghost Guns is more an expression of the gun regulation movement’s impotence.
If you want a gun in this country, and you’ve got more than a couple hundred dollars, you can get one.
