Now that this community has mods, I think we should come to something approaching a consensus on whether there should be a rule against posting “nice” comics from transphobic and other kinds of bigoted artists. People like Stonetoss and Jago who have a lot of innocent-looking relatable comics, but also post the most mean, bigoted propaganda.
And I’d like to present a third option besides yes and no: one might post comics from bigoted artists after removing the artist credit, if the mods think that’s a good compromise.
See to you its propaganda. From your viewpoint. You should not be making that call for others. You are not protecting them you are inflicting your way of thinking on them. They are not defenseless. They can block for themselves. This for me comes down to a thing I have not talked about in a awhile but what I would like to see in the federation. I would like no defederation or unreversable domain blocking. Im fine if it blocks stuff by default but I should be able to go into my user config and turn off any of the default blocking. I, and others, should have 100% control of our experiences and it should not be dictated by others.
This will never ever happen.
I don’t think its completely impossible but I totally realize its highly unlikely. never know though. that is the magic of community things as you never know who will take up something. imma peanut gallery though but it surprises me how many folks prefer some sort of on high authority over individual control on something like this. How can anarchist principles work if they can’t even work in 100% virtual and grass roots community endeavour?
It is 100% impossible lol. Rimu won’t do it. Lemmy devs won’t do it.
I don’t know them well enough to know that but they are not the alpha and the omega of all things free/libre or social media. Ten years ago I would not even imagine something like this is now would exist.
You can speculate another platform might come up that some hardcodes in it the impossibility to deplatform other instances, but all I’m saying is that Lemmy and Piefed will not do it.
But even then, it’s a stretch because the tools required to remove seriously illegal content are the part of the same tools that would function as defederation tools. So it probably can’t be hardcoded out.
this is not about coding. I don’t want the code to make it impossible. I had a longer discussion with someone else that fleshes it out more but its more about general policy. defederation certainly has to be possible because of laws and liability.
Well there will always be instances that defederate almost nothing. There are now.
yeah. that basically goes with what I like. I do hope the software allows for more and more nuance with control of content for the user though. Like I blocked a domain and found out that blocks basically all the users and all the communities from the domain. I am holding out hope those will be seperated out so you can block users and communities seperately. I think many improvements will come because some amazing people have already done some amazing things.
Wait so let’s say a bunch of pedophiles make a Lemmy instance at the url child.porn. If you have an account on My instance, and I’ve defederated child.porn, you want the option to override defederation and view their posts from My server?
sorry. the one exception to defederation (which can’t be reversed like blocking) is legal reasons.
What if it’s an ambiguous case where I think the content is illegal but you don’t?
The legality of content is not based on what one person thinks or another. It either is or isn’t but the domain owner ultimately has to make the call based on the coutnry they are in and their interpretation of the law.
Well I’ll give you an example. My instance defederated fedinsfw because they have a community that’s called fauxbait. Faux jailbait. Faux child porn that looks like adult porn.
According to the laws of Australia, fake child porn is still child porn. So I defederated them. Some people agree, some people disagree. Do you think I have the right to make that call?
Now let’s say I decide that Hexbear’s habit of sending pictures of filthy porcine testicles to people they don’t like is harassment. Can I defederate them?
Let’s say I think lemmy.world has too much transphobia (because it’s the biggest instance and they don’t have enough mods), and that’s illegal hate speech. Can I defederate them?
Fun fact: lemmy.world hosts its servers in Nederland, where it’s illegal to promote illegal activity. Can they defederate dbzer0 for promoting piracy?
Fact is, every instance hosts illegal content. You’ve got an excuse for every single instance, except the tiny ones with next to no users. So I don’t go by laws. I go by My ethics. I think fedinsfw and Hexbear are too much. Lemmy.world has a lot of problems, but I think it’s as good as it is bad. Same for dbzer0. It’s an ethical judgement call. That’s what I use defederation for.
You defederated. So you own or administer the instance. There is a law in your country and you deem the other instance breaks that law. Its exactly what I wrote before. For hexbear you should have a default block. Users should be able to go to the blocklist and enable it. I am assuming your comment its illegal hate speech means there is a law against it in your country for the transphobia and its your call. the nederland example its the same. if its owner sees it as a illegal in their country and thus exposes them to being arrested. You defederate. You can’t control the laws and folks have the ability to move a more permissive instance. I don’t think every instance hosts illegal content. Potentially it could but its a lot like in the us violating the constitution. If an individual who works for the government does it and the agency stops it and remediates its not an issue. But if the administration has a policy of its agencies doing it. Then its a constitutional crises. Similarly someone can post something illegal but mods remove it or such. No one should be jumping on the defederate hammer for that. But a community is not being moderated and the instance owners can either remove the posts themselves or remove the defunct community. Now an instance does not make any attempt to remove illegal content and its rampant. Then other instance owners need to protect themselves by defederating if whatever it is is illegal in their country. You can do every X, Y, Z gotcha scenario you want but it comes down to due diligence and good judgement and the law.