It’s interesting there’s a sharp line between what women and men believe here. Sadly, not knowing the details makes the propaganda more likely to work. Heard and her lawyer were stupid, but that doesn’t change what likely actually happened:
The dog shit the bed, because of course it did it had a problem with bowel control. The fact that Depp’s team have managed to convince people of this ridiculous idea shows just how effective propaganda can be.
Heard was raped and abused
You would have to believe that Heard lied to her own therapist for months to manufacture this. Occam’s razor, no, it happened.
The reason people don’t like Heard is:
She seems shifty
That’s it.
Here’s a video talking about it. To anyone still on Depp’s side: Maybe don’t support abusers? Maybe don’t support their narratives if you think everyone’s a scumbag? Where are the Depp memes?
I thought the reason people side with Depp is because there are recordings of Heard mocking him for reporting abuse and admitting to hitting him, that he initiated the split, and that she gave an op-ed that suggested he was the sole abuser.
Typically there is a primary abuser and often a retaliatory abuser. What is in question is which is which. The concern is that people who side with Depp often do so because of their own beliefs in women being toxic. However, people who side with Heard do essentially the same. I don’t believe a clear picture of Depp being primarily abuser has been established, but would be interested if you had that information.
Edit: also, I’m not on either of their sides. That’s one of those situations where I look at it and slowly back away. I’ll leave it to people who actually know them/have more information.
I thought the reason people side with Depp is because there are recordings of Heard mocking him for reporting abuse and admitting to hitting him, that he initiated the split, and that she gave an op-ed that suggested he was the sole abuser.
Basically all of this analysis relies on ignoring a bunch of evidence and reading into what Heard’s said. There is a shockingly long explanation of this point by point, something which is necessary only because of the time it takes to detangle “Heard sounds shifty”. Remove the suppositions, and it really just sounds like Heard is trying to save her relationship.
Secondly, primary or retaliatory, there’s a clear imbalance of power. This is a big part of what “me too” was about. It seems as soon as you’re of legal age, all manner of coercive power become meaningless to the public. “Me too” was about “well, no, I wasn’t necessarily raped as such, but there was a clear power imbalance that pushed me into decisions I wasn’t comfortable with”. It also discussed the idea of “the perfect victim”, where women essentially get the blame in a two-sides issue. IIUC Heard was barely upper middle class, and Depp has an enormous pool of wealth. There’s a clear power imbalance here.
Thirdly, and this goes back to the “I’m not on either side” part, the less you know the more susceptible you are to the organised campaign against Heard. That’s why people do these memes. That’s why I ended with: well if it’s both sides are bad, then why is Depp somehow beloved and forgiven and Heard is still mocked several years later?
Or you know we can not pass around the myth of “mutual abuse” with no evidence just because Heard is kind of a shitty person in general and doesnt respond “correctly”.
I hope you get run over by a clown car and then thirty clowns get out and bludgeon you into a fine paste with oversized sledgehammers, you misogynist wanker.
Infallible isn’t even on the table. You’re saying theres something fallible with a COMPLETE LACK OF LOGIC OR EVIDENCE.
No one agrees with you, you have no standing… That has nothing to do with the “fallibility” of anything… if anything you’re the one pretending to be infallible as you pretend to be correct while offering zero reason, justification or defense.
I’m a bit confused — are you talking to me, or about Amber Heard? Feeling pretty attacked, which, if that was your goal, congratulations I guess?
For what it’s worth, I honestly did not follow the case very closely and what I did see was tons of conflicting narratives depending on where I was reading or hearing about it. I have no idea who to believe. Probably they’re both shitty people.
None of this has anything to do with my comment about the justice system, which was in response to yours asking about the verdict, compensation, etc. as though those things mean truth. I don’t believe they do mean truth; I’ve had personal limited experience suggesting otherwise and there are plenty of cases that have ruined people’s lives that were later overturned.
I’m not trying to be combative, but I feel a bit defensive because of what feels to me like vitriol from a random online commenter. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
You mean the abused women? Johhny Depp was certainly the villain in that story,
Alternatively, they’re both insane.
Is this one of those “believe someone because of their gender regardless of the evidence” arguments? That kind of thinking is dangerous and sexist.
No, it’s one of those “don’t believe the targeted harassment campaign” arguments
No… It’s one of those fuck everybody involved kind of things…
It’s interesting there’s a sharp line between what women and men believe here. Sadly, not knowing the details makes the propaganda more likely to work. Heard and her lawyer were stupid, but that doesn’t change what likely actually happened:
The reason people don’t like Heard is:
That’s it.
Here’s a video talking about it. To anyone still on Depp’s side: Maybe don’t support abusers? Maybe don’t support their narratives if you think everyone’s a scumbag? Where are the Depp memes?
I thought the reason people side with Depp is because there are recordings of Heard mocking him for reporting abuse and admitting to hitting him, that he initiated the split, and that she gave an op-ed that suggested he was the sole abuser.
Typically there is a primary abuser and often a retaliatory abuser. What is in question is which is which. The concern is that people who side with Depp often do so because of their own beliefs in women being toxic. However, people who side with Heard do essentially the same. I don’t believe a clear picture of Depp being primarily abuser has been established, but would be interested if you had that information.
Edit: also, I’m not on either of their sides. That’s one of those situations where I look at it and slowly back away. I’ll leave it to people who actually know them/have more information.
Basically all of this analysis relies on ignoring a bunch of evidence and reading into what Heard’s said. There is a shockingly long explanation of this point by point, something which is necessary only because of the time it takes to detangle “Heard sounds shifty”. Remove the suppositions, and it really just sounds like Heard is trying to save her relationship.
Secondly, primary or retaliatory, there’s a clear imbalance of power. This is a big part of what “me too” was about. It seems as soon as you’re of legal age, all manner of coercive power become meaningless to the public. “Me too” was about “well, no, I wasn’t necessarily raped as such, but there was a clear power imbalance that pushed me into decisions I wasn’t comfortable with”. It also discussed the idea of “the perfect victim”, where women essentially get the blame in a two-sides issue. IIUC Heard was barely upper middle class, and Depp has an enormous pool of wealth. There’s a clear power imbalance here.
Thirdly, and this goes back to the “I’m not on either side” part, the less you know the more susceptible you are to the organised campaign against Heard. That’s why people do these memes. That’s why I ended with: well if it’s both sides are bad, then why is Depp somehow beloved and forgiven and Heard is still mocked several years later?
Honestly they seemed like they were both toxic and abusive and deserved each other.
Or you know we can not pass around the myth of “mutual abuse” with no evidence just because Heard is kind of a shitty person in general and doesnt respond “correctly”.
Lol
You’re fucked in the head if you think this is funny.
Clutch pearls harder dweeb
I hope you get run over by a clown car and then thirty clowns get out and bludgeon you into a fine paste with oversized sledgehammers, you misogynist wanker.
U mad
U moid
Help me understand… did the judgement reflect that? Was Depp imprisoned or fined for being “the villian”?
Was Amber victorious after all those legal procedures and Depp found guilty of anything?
Did Amber have to pay anything, was she vindicated as a victim and thus rewarded?
This assumes the legal system is infallible.
Infallible isn’t even on the table. You’re saying theres something fallible with a COMPLETE LACK OF LOGIC OR EVIDENCE.
No one agrees with you, you have no standing… That has nothing to do with the “fallibility” of anything… if anything you’re the one pretending to be infallible as you pretend to be correct while offering zero reason, justification or defense.
I’m a bit confused — are you talking to me, or about Amber Heard? Feeling pretty attacked, which, if that was your goal, congratulations I guess?
For what it’s worth, I honestly did not follow the case very closely and what I did see was tons of conflicting narratives depending on where I was reading or hearing about it. I have no idea who to believe. Probably they’re both shitty people.
None of this has anything to do with my comment about the justice system, which was in response to yours asking about the verdict, compensation, etc. as though those things mean truth. I don’t believe they do mean truth; I’ve had personal limited experience suggesting otherwise and there are plenty of cases that have ruined people’s lives that were later overturned.
I’m not trying to be combative, but I feel a bit defensive because of what feels to me like vitriol from a random online commenter. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
You live in a different universe to me if your universe handles abuse cases in court correctly.
The dress was blue and black.
Did you watch the trial? She is not well. You can see it on youtube.
I really hope you are just sarcastic or trolling.