Gasoline cars need to accept grass if they are ever to be a viable replacement for a horse. Like, what if you’re far from a gas station but there’s a meadow right there?
Only fringe enthusiasts can own a gasoline car that doesn’t have a biofuel fermenter attached.
The reality: “Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,” Cutler said.
I, in fact, do exactly that. I pull up in front of the pump, get out, stick my card in, fill up, and leave. It’s been over ten years since I went inside the store at a gas station, there’s nothing in there I want to buy.
However, needing to spend half an hour recharging if I were on a road trip would be fine, because on a road trip I would stop for a break from driving in any case. But, I almost never go on road trips, and 99.9% of my trips around town would be well within one charge, which I could do at home.
So, while I agree that charging doesn’t need to be as fast as gas, it’s not because of his stated reason.
ITT: Lots of people dont realize how infrequently you actually stop at a charger if you have charging at home or work.
Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away
This almost reads as satire. Like this has to be a joke, right? No way this guy can really be this stupid (or out of touch), right?
The great majority of my gas stops are stop, fill up, leave. I expect those would be eliminated by having a EV I just charged at home though.
I prefer the idea of plug it on and go get lunch and take a piss and have a stretch, rather than have to stand there with it for a few mins and then do all that other stuff.
Yes. Because with an EV you live at the gas station.
People need to stop thinking about EVs like cars that need to be fueled. They’re more like phones that need to be charged.
The reality: “Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,” Cutler said.
Say what? Outside of a long road trip, that’s very much what I do every time. I haven’t been into the store at my gas station in years. I’m hardly alone, I see plenty of other people fill up and leave.
The “charging problem” is most completely addressed by doing less driving. Obviously.
In the context of EVs, your daily grind refueling is a scenario that doesn’t really exist - and shouldn’t exist. Your weekly trip to the gas station should be replaced almost entirely with AC charging, either at home or at work. DC fast charging should only be used when you are driving an extended amount in a single day. And if you’ve been driving 200 miles that day, you probably need some food and a restroom.
Coincidentally, it solves one of the biggest (and least explainable) gaps on fast charging. If you make your regular rest/food stops the same thing as your charging stops, then you’ll spend very little extra time charging on a road trip. It’s always been weird to me that fast chargers have traditionally been nowhere near amenities like food and restrooms.
We just came back from a trip. Started with below 50 percent, first stop was a nice caffee for a second breakfast. Within 20 minutes, charge went up to 80, giving uns around 400 km range. The car was full before we even finished.
The planing simply changed. Instead of rushing through a gas stop, we prefer a route with places for a nice break. Or, in a pinch, nearly every McDonald’s now has a row of quick chargers.
It is becoming a non-issue.
Literally my solution in a nutshell. I’ll take a longer trip with a nice place I can stop for an hour-ish, then move on.
Went to Italy…wanted to grab an Espresso… the car was at 80 percent before I even manage to get the cup in last my hand…
Yeah, that statement makes little sense in context of ICE, but the point does kinda work for EV. Ideally, outside of road trips, you wouldn’t go to designated charging areas, but just charge where you’re going anyway. I usually charge at a supermarket
Yeah, same for me. But it is true that it doesn’t necessarily apply when charging at home, overnight.
Yeah that sentence was bonkers. Like that’s exactly what most people do haha
Obviously you made the mistake of not being born wealthy. If you had just been born wealthy, you would realize that driving long distance is something you very rarely do, or when you can’t find a trustworthy peasant to ship/drive your vehicle to/from your summer home.
there’s a supermarket by me that has EV chargers for free while you shop. absolutely genius
“And while China’s getting there, an executive in the U.S. aren’t so convinced that’s true.”
Why does this sentence bother me so much?
Longer trips in EVs require one small reframing, at least when compared to how we used to do longer trips before.
In longer trips with an ICE, we would have a meal before the trip, then drive until the destination, and have a meal when arriving.
With an EV, you should plan to have a meal on the road, and charge while you eat.
I’ve had a few experiences with this recently on a 300k trip we do fairly regularly. We do it in an older EV with comparatively poor range, but still we get away with making one stop to eat and charge.
The few times I’ve charged an electric rental car, I had to go pee and buy snacks or go for lunch anyway… in my opinion a longer break of a few minutes from driving is healthy and safer anyway.
owning a BYD EV here in Australia, 80% of my charging is at home, just plug in to a wall socket powered by mostly solar from my roof. 15% is destination charging eg when buying groceries, plug in, shop, unplug and go and only 5% is charging on a road trip.
I love how people looking into getting a car will go crazy over range. All the while they have not driven more than 100k in a single day in the last 5 years.
Or only gone on trips that is longer than the range like 8 times last 5 years.
90% of the trips I do in a car are over 100km. For anything else I use public transport or a bicycle.
100k km is physically impossible to drive in a day, maybe you mean “in a single year”?
If you mean 100k meters (not sure why you just wouldn’t use km as an unit then), I have a few 200 km days a week, but the actual range anxiety comes from the fact that in the winter an EV loses a ton of range and if I need to use a public charger, I might as well just drive my current car instead of paying 15x as much to get into an used EV, since public charging is almost as expensive as diesel fuel.
I really hope there will one day be a solution for people who don’t own detached houses.
Every single parking spot should have a charger. It will happen some day.
In my country we do have a ton of public chargers but car owners report that it’s more expensive than gas. You either have a way to charge at home or it’s just not worth it.
Depends on the gas prices, but yeah, even in the US often ‘fast chargers’ would be equivalent or even more expensive than gas.
If you take fast chargers with the milage most EVs get (roughly 2mi/kwh), the per kwh price needs to be roughly $0.35/kwh or lower for electric to be cheaper (home rates essentially across the US are lower than this), but fast chargers often climb to $0.45-0.55/kwh.
You don’t need fast charging if every parking spot has a charger. You only need those for long trips.
True, but not sure how you make that sort of infrastructure a reality. Most parking lots in general don’t have electrical structure for every parking spot or even 1/10th of the parking spots to have dedicated high voltage charging.
Every single parking spot should have a charger. It will happen some day.
And then some douchey trillionaire will be there to steal that infrastructure making it completely unaffordable, ensuring no one can use it.
In the UK they’re installing chargers in the lamp posts, in Germany they’re installing them in the curbs. There are solutions slowly making their way out there.
We don’t, I charge while shopping most of the time.
Most of the time, they don’t need to be anywhere near as fast as gas (most, maybe even nearly all, people have or can have a way to charge at home). But there’s lots of people that don’t do long stops on their trips and just want to stop, fuel up, and go. The EV can be a bit slower, but anything over about 15 min is going to be a showstopper for alot of people.
I mean, he’s kinda right. It just needs to charge you enough to get you where you plan to go and then you can plug in again and charge passively. Being able to have on-site charging basically anywhere the car can actually go makes it more convenient for everything except road trips, and since initial charging from low battery percentage is much more efficient, people just need to not feel the compulsive need to top off at 100%.
