A lot of people in techny internet spaces online are talking about a PHP embargo. What does that mean and what’s going on?

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      5 hours ago

      Chainguard claims they had evidence of exploits being used in the wild. If that’s true breaking the embargo was the correct move. The embargo is only useful if the exploit isn’t in the wild.

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    Php is a programming language from the 90s that is still popular today but is kinda the punching bag to other languages. This week the people in charge of php said they are releasing emergency patches in a couple hours and take non critical systems offline until you have patched.

    This has brought on a new round of bag punching.

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        It’s the backbone for a lot of other software, the Wordpress ecosystem most notably. Inertia is the big factor in terms of popularity.

        Old school PHP was all about the LAMP stack (Linux as your operating system, apache as your web server, mysql as your database, php as the runtime apache would use to serve dynamic documents). The ecosystem was the real benefit that made it sensational for the era; all the pieces were designed to play nicely with one another.

        It was also really noob friendly: You could write basic html, copy it to your web server, reload in browser, and see changes. Then to make things dynamic, you sprinkle in a few <?php ?> tags in your html, copy it to the server, and it starts working! The code inside those php tags gets run by the web server and their output is written into the HTML. No reloading or resetting apache needed, and you need very little programming knowledge to start.

        The modern language is… serviceable, but lost the key features that made it great.

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        Because it works. Why spend the money to rewrite something in another language when the current one is working fine?

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        WordPress powers a huge percentage of all websites, and that’s written in PHP. MediaWiki is too, although that’s obviously a much smaller percentage.

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        The patches were released yesterday, more than 24h ago. Originally they were supposed to be released today but some info leaked so they decided to step up the timetable.

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    Don’t worry. Everyone is just doing

    sudo apt update
    sudo apt upgrade
    sudo shutdown -r now
    

    Job done.

    Oh and if you want to check your work.

    r00ty@r00ted ~ $ php -v
    PHP x.x.x (cli) (built: Oct 21 2026 xx:xx:xx)
    

    Job definitely done.

  • FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website
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    In simple terms, PHP is a language telling servers on the internet what to do. There is a problem with it, one that’s been known for a long time. But it wasn’t considered a major one because using this problem for hacking purposes was thought to be so much work nobody would use it.

    Enter LLM agents. They have all the computing power in the world and time isn’t an issue. They used this vulnerability. And the internet panicked. Lots of smaller operations shut down as a precaution. I think there is a patch in the works. Edit: Patches are out already.

    An embargo seems like a natural response to a threat like this. I’m not sure if it’s a good idea because I don’t know if you can just transition to using a different scripting language on any server. I understand it’s a fairly old language in internet terms. So it might be time to move on, I don’t know.

    Edit: I think I misunderstood the question. The embargo people talk about is more like the iPhone review embargo. The new iPhone gets released to reviewers ahead of public release so they can test and produce their pieces. And the embargo end day is when they can release their findings. The PHP embargo is, I think, the movers and shakers behind the scenes agreeing to shut up about the details of a vulnerability until the patch is out. If they go public before the patch then more bad actors get the blueprint on how to exploit the vulnerability.

    I will take no follow-up questions because I had it explained to me like I’m a 5yo.

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    It’s a nothing burger but every web dev is doing overhours cuz that one stakeholder said so.