I mean, not my home.

Yes, almost like that’s why there’s a bubble despite the obvious disparity between both states’ ability to maintain an adequate infrastructure for this technology. US companies are looting with the full expectation that the cost of the economic fallout will be shifted to taxpayers. They’re getting as much value out of this before China inevitably becomes dominant even in the US sphere of influence as the US simply will never be able to compete after decades of neoliberal politics and the erosion of public works.

I’m not sure how you don’t think that all translates into labour value. These are expenses and the fake narrative that this technology is even capable of labour is itself oriented around making human labour less valuable. It’s always been about reaping even more from the only resource they have difficulty owning completely.

Pretty sure the point was to drive down the price of labour?

Lmao, you typed this still, why are you trying to talk to me?

Oh, I just realized you are referring to my calling liberals fascists and not when I call “socialists” liberals. Oh boy, wait 'till you learn about liberalism.

See, this is how you stop someone from talkin to you dummy: blocked.

Some were people who grew up in former Soviet states where simplified versions of socialist writing in the nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries were taught and they focused more heavily on the political structure of the communist state rather than the relationality and philosophical underpinnings of Marxism and socialism; structuralist and postmodern ideas didn’t even seem to factor in.

It’s true though, there has been a very intentional effort among liberals to appropriate socialist and communist ideas into their rhetoric as they have feminist, queer, and African American theory under neoliberalism. I’ve had classes where I have to explain what “liberal” means because it’s pretty much assumed it’s going to be heard the same as “progressive,” which has also been deprived of meaning but over a much longer period of time. Euros are the same though, and on Lemmy especially since it’s a bit more distributed among American and European users for a bunch of reasons. You see it on other platforms, but on here there’s so many Europeans who straight up think they’re altruistic socialists but presume everyone else agrees that colonialism is over and Europe is reformed (corporations and international law is what isn’t colonialism apparently btw, lol)

Liberalism is exceptional at appropriation because it has emerged over centuries of EuroAmerican imperialism and settler-colonialism, its main purpose is to steal.

For the joke, yes. But, also because I’m curious if you have a real critique besides “stinky and mean to me,” as I genuinely don’t have experience with that community, but have ran into a lot of uncritical “socialists” on fediverse stuff in general.

Another funny thing here is you’ve done a lot of stuff that I don’t think you realize is telling of liberal thought, the infantalization is another big one, but you’ve hit almost everything. If your next comment is something about trans women, think we got a full row.

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I don’t think it’s helpful to construct liberals as ignorant in the same way a child is. It is an uncritical and harmful way to think, but children can’t understand what genocide is because they haven’t lived long enough and do not know enough about the world, adults differ in that it is a choice to remain ignorant or to not change in response to knowledge.

There’s a special kind of malice that comes from truly knowing you’re wrong but do not care to learn better; not because they can’t, but because it is inconvenient.

Are you a liberal?

Yes, I don’t get why so many of you appear to not understand that these problems coexist with the reality that people have been using it anyway. As I alluded to above when I said that a psychotherapist would be required to actually learn to practice those strategies and expressed my disagreement with AI therapists on a treatment basis in multiple instances, there is no replacing a human therapist or any reasonable basis to even call AI therapists “therapists.”

As I said, again multiple times, since people use it anyway and prefer it to nothing or a bad therapist, we have to take its merits seriously and identify why. Reality does not care that you find it dumb and icky, I would love it if everything I know is dumb and icky was simply not a problem because I found it dumb and icky.

All of these people are clearly not just stupid, which is what you and the person I responded to seem to think, which is just foolish. No, everyone else is not just dumber than you. There is clearly a material reason why people use these things and why some even say they want to. How many people do you know who do not go to therapy because they can’t afford it, or because they’ve been traumatized by it, or because they could get fucking institutionalized for it. Have you thought about, perhaps, the people as people?

I swear to god, some of you see a long comment from someone you don’t like the sound of and you just make up whatever it says based on the shit you imagine people who disagree with you say. And they say reading levels are down, pshaw.

Well, I’m sure someone who uses “clanker” wouldn’t need therapy anyway.

Seriously though, I doubt the health implications or claims about the efficacy of AI therapists, but we can’t just ignore the fact that there are people who use it, which means there’s something about it that makes it accessible or preferable to a human therapist.

If you’ve ever had to get a psychotherapist, you know that it is prohibitively expensive for a large number of people, and that a human therapist may not actually be capable of treating you because of personal incompatibility; which often results in retraumatization in patients who are seeking therapy for particularly traumatic or sensitive issues. Since much of the value in therapy is learning management strategies that, while not standard, are often consistent across different practitioners, they do not necessarily need to come from a therapist to learn what they are (even if the practice of them does need one).

I think if there is a need for it, that need is a consequence of the deeply dysfunctional, exploitative, and isolating system we live under, and I don’t think I’d ever accept it as a genuine alternative to human therapists. But, we can’t dismiss it out of hand if there are people who say it is useful for them and when we can’t maintain a system that can guarantee them access to treatment.

You’re telling me that you believe you are not vulnerable to validation? Right before using the word “corrupted” uncritically in a way that suggests there is a universal and normative “real life?”

What if someone who you respected the authority of, like a prominent scholar or filmmaker, said your obviously incorrect stance on things was correct? You’d trust me, Online Internet Bastard, when I tell you that you are wrong?

AI has been sold as something exceptionally capable of mimicking human knowledge, and its existence is compatible with liberal notions of “objectivity” in that it is quite literally not a human being. Most men subscribe to this authority, and are also statistically bereft of emotional intelligence or management skills. You ever try telling a man what they want to hear? I’ve never ever met one who doesn’t just eat it up.

nothing worse than a self-righteous liberal who doesn’t even know they’re a fascist. You know what the right choice is, do it.

Lmfao, you’re shadowboxing yourself. I never even mentioned porn, so I know you’re just assuming these things because you’re pissed at other women, and I can only deduce you’re making up shit they say too.

Weirdest exchange I’ve had on here tbh, I don’t think I’ve had anyone genuinely try to fight me over shit they made up about what other people have said.

Women love me, and I don’t give a shit about men hating me. You’re wondering why you’re an incel? It’s because you clearly don’t see them as people. Only way to stop seeing people like me is to stay inside off the internet forever or kill yourself, you can pick whichever.

Is this comment meant for another thread…? I don’t know what the sweet shit you’re referring to. Nowhere here or anywhere have I said anything in support of porn bans.

Is this written with like, the assumption that being anti-misogyny is somehow synonymous with being pro-state? Either you’ve got the brainrot from all the bots that feed you your own viewpoints all the time, or this is seriously meant for someone else.

Feminists are often anti-porn on the basis of challenging the male gaze and recognition of the inherent coercion within a capitalist system eroding the ability of women to consent… is that what you think you’re referring to? I agree with these feminist views, but they in no way directly correlate with something like the anti-porn ban in the UK, exactly because it is obviously puritanical in nature and therefore patriarchal.

Honestly fucking doubt it, have you seen this site? Even then, internalized misogyny and transmisogyny is a thing. I also don’t give a shit if they are.

I already knew you weren’t. Could you explain how you think you’re in a position to determine if something is misogynistic? Like, you believe that you can tell women they aren’t harmed by a thing? Why? What are the consequences of this assertion that diminishes the voice of women?