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  • You have to understand that in the pre-classical era, Roman people had minor god cults throughout their small villages, and the Greeks did the same thing. The cults beliefs did some traveling over time, and reasonable people slowly began piecing together a shared mythos.

    Over time, as the Greeks pulled together their culture into a power structure of loosely associated city-states, their religious cults from dozens and dozens of villages all were glued together into a more cohesive pantheon.

    Romans then adopted and ‘latinized’ the Greek pantheon, mixing in several of their own superstitions and cults.

    This means you will have a God of creation and a God of that pond over there, which might have later been rationalized into a nymph.

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    It’s much the same in the Abrahamic religions. Yahweh was the god of storms/thunder, sort of second or third in command to El, had a wife etc. Later he was given domain over war and then later promoted to the one true God.

    You can see small remnants of this in the Bible, in the conflicts with Baal (another diety of the pantheon) especially (theorized to be some of the oldest stories in the Bible). Yahweh often uses thunder and lightning in his signs, and in older records mention is made of his wife/children etc.

    Before things were commonly written down and literacy was common Religious beliefs were messy, constantly adapting and re-adapting to changing times, rulers, and encounters with other systems of belief.





  • But there’s no evidence if Norway had more representatives, or more people per representative, that their democracy would crumble.

    I truly, honestly, believe a democracy doesn’t have to be small to be effective or social. There are many smaller democracies that don’t score well, such as most of South America, the Caribbean, much of Africa, etc.

    I think that sets apart those democracies on the list you keep referencing is sane election policies, money and religion separated from politicians as much as possible, free journalism, an engaged voting base, a recall system, and basically any electoral system not first past the post.

    So far you’ve provided examples, and I truly appreciate that. I also appreciate you being earnest and willing to have a real conversation about this. I’m truly not trying to be dismissive or disrespectful.


  • No, not proof. That’s hardly an argument. You pulled numbers out of your ass and pretended they’re the right ones with no further consideration or evidence given.

    I could as easily say that 10 million per rep and 1000 reps should work with the right system and infrastructure. That gives me a number that I like… But it’s not evidence.





  • Correlation does not imply causation. Show me a mechanism, with evidence. The mechanism I propose is that if a society looks even slightly too leftist the billionaire class does everything they can to destroy or sabotage it.

    Also, there isn’t a crisp definition or delineation between a social democracy and a democratic socialist one. Again- quibble over definitions as much as you want. A social democracy is several important steps in the right direction.

    And capitalistic centrism / authoritarianism is NOT “working” globally. It’s just managed to kick the can down the curb for a while.



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    The “socialism only works at small scales” argument is tired, lazy, and boring.

    Explain why. Be honest with me and yourself. And if you start in about “but the oil is funding that”, yes exactly. That’s how it should work, the USA gives away billions of dollars to capitalists every day with it’s mineral riches.

    Democratic socialism (or social democracy… the definitions are not crisp or distinct) is already working in several Nordic countries of millions. Together they have populations of tens of millions. We can argue definitions if you like, but they’re much closer. So much closer that I’ll take that as the first several steps in our journey as a society.

    Even if for some weird reason democratic socialism won’t ‘work’ at the size of hundreds of millions when it works at the scale of tens of millions, capitalism is currently falling flat in the USA and dozens of other countries, and offers much worse outcomes for 99.9% of it’s population all the while.