But as doctors, was there no fight back against this. I don’t know how. But genuinely asking. Like if a plumbers knew some new law came in that endangered people and they just went with it, are they not responsible

Is that how a proper society works.

Wouldn’t that be evidence that this was poisoning the well

I am fairly certain this is the case.

It really feels like there’s an unseen hand making up these claims and pushing it out there which a big group of people then just run with it. Id love to be able to study where we’re seeing these first instances of these theories popping up. Those places should be watched

But the guy is alive. How do you fake that.

Is your argument that Chinese government is not using technology to restrict freedoms?

How is that being upvoted

I would say that decades of western Hollywood has primed the population to mistrust any new technology and only see potential dystopian ends in exchange for entertainment. Combined with China spreading propaganda to encourage those views in western nations. Sites like lemmy and Facebook are heavily used as generators to spread mistrust.

Right but so are people. This was all inevitable from the start. Much worse stuff is coming. People should have been embracing methods to avoid this stuff decades ago. I’m not just talking about using a fucking ad blocker. There needed to be measures to fuck with data collection. Become hostile to any site’s or content creators looking to sell viewers anything. Run applications that could feed junk data back to sites.

Had people started earlier they wouldn’t be facing the giant industry that grew out of a digital spaces that welcomed the things that eventually grew into this data collection beast we all knew were coming.

Yea it’s unfortunate the Republicans are in power. They would have done something about this.

Any new technology instantly gets turned into some new boogeyman instead of being embraced. Works out great for China when western people become luddite at a very critical window of opportunity from emerging technology. You’d almost think China has a strong ability to flood western sites with propaganda.

But there is. Between the two options, moderation or community controls, I’ll pick community controls.

But this is kind of my point. Lemmy should not be recreating what we already know end up as a tool that is used by authoritarians to control us. Lemmy should be generating more new ideas and testing them out. New instances with new features. Some will work some won’t. It’s why I get a little pissed off seeing people who claim to be leftist, claim they’ll punch a nazi, claim that Trump and Bezos and capitalism is responsible for great suffering who them go on to just use lemmy for posting feel good fun time cat pictures and moth memes. We should be doing more. Because at some point we’ll need tools and by the time we need them we’re not going to have time to fiddle fuck trying to get them to work. We needed tools 15 years ago.

I agree. I think fediverse is such an amazing step towards something great. But i don’t want to drop this ball. I believe there’s so many balls dropped over the past 20 years. I think we need to wake up

You’re missing what I’m saying. What gives you’re instance of anything any importance. Why are you not creating instances every day for yourself?

You’re going to want to gravitate to instances that produce content. You can say you’ll just defederate but what stops the highly motivated PR team whose job is to capture these instances from also targeting other instances you enjoy.

I don’t know about your experience, but I’ve had this happen outside the fediverse. Many sites I enjoyed were slowly turned. There was ways to stop it. But people didn’t take it seriously. I see the exact same attitudes here.

They are going to come to the fediverse and they’re going to make it theirs if we don’t figure out ways to prevent it. Spinning up new instances and defederation will not be enough. There needs to be systematic changes to how these sites work. They have to be anti capitalist and community first rather than moderation first.

Both a) and b) only works for so long. We’re not talking just about users. We’re talking about coordinated efforts by group’s backed by financial support to slowly take over. I’ve seen them go so far as getting themselves onto mod teams. They have it down to a science mean if we’re not making them rewrite their books constantly then lemmy is just going to go the way of all other platforms.

I don’t know your experience with being online but I’m telling you that what you said was said mockingly about other sites too and it turned out to be true

My point is for how long? At some point it either dies out or becomes popular enough to attract that attention. And so I’m asking now, because we never did with the other sites, what can we do to prevent it. Because these spaces are running out rapidly.

This kind of floors me because I may have said similar years ago, but lately I think the digital space is the most important frontier we have right now. Like everybody is planting their flags on different lands. There’s only so much to go around. It’s why these tech bros are all spending billions on it. But the left seems to have volunteered to sit out and ignore its importance. I don’t know why

Not sure what you mean here. I’m saying it is potentially not censorship proof and that we should be aware of that.

I do appreciate that and you’re right about losing focus. I get a little bent out of shape over some of the more ignorant comments from people.

I get not wanting to begrudge the “Cute pic” people but everyday I just don’t get it. What are people on the left doing. It’s just so sad to me to see what it’s become that I don’t know what future it holds and that sucks. This is a lefty space and its just the realization that this is it. It’s what is left and people don’t even see it or care. They can’t be bothered.

I have a lot of anger from going on any other digital space and seeing outright racism and sexism and just horrible shit that is now so common. And I come to lemmy and people keep promoting the idea of just ignoring things that irk them.

NO action. NO fight. Just block and move on.

Wouldn’t that be just what the right would love for us to do? Block them instead of challenging them. It makes me realize the left may be dying not because we did our best and fought and actually tried but instead we willingly gave up and convinced each other to as well.

For me, Lemmy is the last nail in the coffin in a digital frontier that highlights this. I don’t even know if people know how bad it is because most people here just block and avoid things they do not like since they are the “cute pic” people.

In a world where numbers and engagement matter most, how do we not partially blame them especially when the “cute pic” people are avoiding the world because they hate the situation but they’re just not willing put up with it enough to push back like others.

What spaces are those?