Cutting services as opposed to complying is the better approach, since the other is a endorsement of it without consequences for regions putting it in place.

Things change for the worse overall even for those not subject to living in those regions when there’s no consequence to problematic decisions, and just shows those who enacted those changes can keep getting away with it.

Appeasement doesn’t tend to work out, and instead has a tendency to have the ideology of the troublesome region spread.

Get a cheap minipc or laptop and get the same adblocking options that you get on a desktop. Best of all you can disconnect your TV from the internet if you had been relying on the TV apps to watch stuff with the spyware behavior of TVs.

Sports fans know well. Streams that just cut to silence instead of showing ads are so much better. Commercials just enrage me.

Scariest ads are the ones if you accidentally click redirects and opens up another site on your browser.

I like freetube for desktop and pipepipe for Android. Both, block ads, block channels, let you subscribe and make playlists locally, skip sponsors, download videos.

More reliable than browser and adblock. Only when it breaks due to some youtube change do I use browser, but the app still functions like a rss providing you with your subscription feed to launch it in browser.

Would be some next level stuff where governments would be able to track and shut down protest attempts before it even happened. And identify those who have expressed critical views of their government and disappear them. And disappear people who bring up people being disappeared.

Until eventually just the thought of speaking freely in such a manner is killed off completely on the Internet.

Do you really trust your government to know every single account associated with you? Do you trust the current leader and future leaders of your country to have every internet activity easily linked to you? Countries like the US will no longer have to subpoena for that information like they recently did for reddit users critical of ICE.

So does it really make you feel better to have the government in control of a universal ID system?

Does it not send off alarm bells seeing meta stated as one of the lobbyists? Do they really have a track record that makes you think device would be any better?

Its sad entire world despite calls for boycott of US are letting themselves be controlled and joining hands with US based Palantir in the most important sector when it comes to tech and privacy.

Who is behind it? The whole world collectively decided to start pushing it. So what big money is behind it? It doesn’t seem organic.

I find it okay for writing programs since you can verify it to see if the output is correct.

But, actual analysis not so much, since when verifying what comes out that its not completely reliable even for things it should be like numbers. Now numbers might be close, but still off

Abstract stuff might be fine. But, its still not something to entirely trust on analysis because of errors. There’s a lot of double checking that needs to be going on.

Yes, and by turning it on you are opting in to allowing your ISP to decide what information you get access to. Making that the default is a TERRIBLE idea.

So turn it off.

Yes! What I’m trying to describe is that process, but in a digital space. Swap the store with a LOCAL app (ie: one that doesn’t phone home, and can generate the tokens on your device), and swap the ID with the cert file, and you’ve got the same process in the digital space, with all the same benefits

I dont trust the digital space version because you’d have to trust the code and to be an approved system would require the government to sign off on it. Third party doesn’t exist in a independent space for something like this when government oversight is required.

But, it doesn’t matter. Like I said before. The goal isn’t verification to protect people. It’s surveillance. That’s why I remain so skeptical of people who despite the current world keep insisting and arguing for verification, because the ideal government doesn’t exist. And even if it does governments change like Hungary.

Your idea LITERALLY lets those in charge decide what information you get access to, so maybe you should be a little more skeptical.

My idea is already in place. When you log into your ISP to pay bills or manage your plan you can already toggle on or off parental control. Its just changing it so its enabled by default since so many parents seem clueless it even exists.

Log in and turn it off and its just the way it already is now.

I trust neither. That’s why I like the system I’m describing. It puts ME in charge of MY data, and gives me controll over who gets to use it, and exactly what they’re allowed to do with it

Your new additional system puts trust that those who wrote the system will not end up exposing which tokens were used for your accounts by your ID that is linked to it. Either because the program was written for the government or corporations to do so, or eventual incompetence leading to an exploit that exposes it. And is based on an idealized view of government and corporations to even be willing to trust the program created by them or a third party the government chooses to approve as being truly be anonymous. Because you definitely aren’t going to be the one writing it.

Only proposal I’ve liked is being able to buy tokens at a store without any ID being logged and buying new ones when it expires. Similar to how you can buy physical mullvad VPN gift cards.

Anyways, we aren’t getting either. These verification systems are to kill off internet anonymity, so governments don’t have to request subpoenas like the US did of reddit to try to figure out the people behind accounts that were being critical of ICE. So what’s the point of even proposing or arguing possible solutions that secure anonymity.

People will find a way around verification. I definitely would when I was little. To have a perfect system you’d need an authoritarian approach of complete surveillance.

You either accept that system isn’t perfect or push for complete surveillance.

You seem willing to risk what will turn out to be surveillance in hopes of a perfect verification system. While I’m more skeptical and not trusting of those in charge that trying to protect people is even the goal.

Maybe it’s the difference between how much someone trusts their government and corporations.

Your arguments seem more founded on an ideal government and corporate landscape to trust handing over oversight to them than what we actually have. Biggest red flag being some European countries making deals with Palantir.

Just starting it at the ISP level than a site by site basis handing over info for every site seems better to me. Its already a utility to begin with where people have to give their info, address, and payment method when they sign up. Its already a verification system to begin with. Instead of logging into your ISP account to toggle on parental block its just enabled by default.

Let households themselves decide if they want parental lock or not, and ISPs already offer parental block. Only change now it is just enabled by default when you sign up for a ISP.

And I dont care about the social media justifications for verification anymore. You, me, and many other people accessed the Internet at a young age and turned out fine. And those sites would be on the block list or parents themselves able to add or remove sites from the block list.

This hysteria of parents not wanting to take responsibility for raising and monitoring their own kids and demanding the government remove everything seems like boomers back in the day wanting games banned.

I think easiest method is one that has already existed before. Just do a blanket parental internet block for ISPs and mobile providers.

Account holders who want it lifted can contact the company providing them their Internet access to do it. Or leave it in place and use a login whenever they attempt to access blocked sites.

But, there’s a reason that’s not the method proposed or used as an example with it already existing. Government wants surveillance like 1984 over their citizens and companies want to collect and sell data like Meta.

Law…politicians don’t seem to be following them these days. They seem more like Judge Dredd finding out the law is more a suggestion when it comes to themselves. Being able to even start wars without calling it one.

Past year has seemed more like people going, but that’s against the law you can’t do that. And them going okay who’s going to stop us the courts? That’s for peasants.

Now that we see groups pushing for age verification are third parties like Palantir and the US government having demanded account info on those who were critical of ICE I don’t think third party entities going forward can be trusted anymore to be unaffiliated with the state.

Maybe when Estonia got their program implemented. But, now such a system being put in place for other countries is going to be untrustworthy in their motives and methods.

Problem is people treat it as reliable when AI itself isn’t able to verify or know if what it is generating is correct.

Would be better if it provided direct links for people to go to and read. A list of citations than the proclamations it makes know. Its too “opinionated” making it give advice when it would ideally be neutral just providing links for people to read further from sources that hopefully isn’t AI.

AI has even gotten sports trivia I know incorrect. I don’t think people realize AI is just generation and hallucinations are part of it. Not as reliable or trustworthy authority just because it strings together sentences.

Its use is more ideal for making stories or whatever where people aren’t expecting accuracy than medical advice, which it lacks the knowledge on despite the sources it pulls from. Because it has no logic or thought itself.

Funny thing is LLMs are bad as calculators too, since I’ve seen it get simple multiplication wrong.

It’s capable of generating content, but unable to verify or know itself if it is correct. But, lot of people don’t realize that because the less they know about a subject matter the smarter it will seem to them not knowing its well…a language model. As in just outputting what can be complete gibberish.