“Just because you string words together does not mean they mean something. If people don’t own/control the means of production, someone else does. Either you have private capital or a governing body. Calling it “stateless society” means nothing. That is actual handwaving of real issues.”
communism is a stateless classless moneyless society. your semantic game doesn’t change the facts
communism is a stateless classless moneyless society
So it’s a fantasy where everyone magically knows what to do, how and when. Then does it with no incentive or punishment. No coordinators, police, or anything else required. Ok, clear. Now can we get back to real world ideas?
Because if there is anyone who has the ability to order people to do something and punish them for not doing it or decide distribution of incentives, that is called a government. No matter how you try to rename it or handwave it.
What is? The fact that not one person advocating communism actually dares define what they mean by communism? So they just jump from definition to definition to salvage losing arguments? Sure, extremely bad faith, but what you gonna do?
What do you mean you defined it?! You just listed 3 things that it isn’t! What does that mean? How is anything decided? How are people motivated to do shit without money? How does society work at all in a stateless system? You defined nothing. By your “definition”, genociding all humans would be communism since it would remove classes, states and money.
“Just because you string words together does not mean they mean something. If people don’t own/control the means of production, someone else does. Either you have private capital or a governing body. Calling it “stateless society” means nothing. That is actual handwaving of real issues.”
communism is a stateless classless moneyless society. your semantic game doesn’t change the facts
So it’s a fantasy where everyone magically knows what to do, how and when. Then does it with no incentive or punishment. No coordinators, police, or anything else required. Ok, clear. Now can we get back to real world ideas?
Because if there is anyone who has the ability to order people to do something and punish them for not doing it or decide distribution of incentives, that is called a government. No matter how you try to rename it or handwave it.
this is the height of bad faith, no-true-scotsman, illiterate Reddit or engagement.
What is? The fact that not one person advocating communism actually dares define what they mean by communism? So they just jump from definition to definition to salvage losing arguments? Sure, extremely bad faith, but what you gonna do?
I flat out defined it and your claimed nothing could ever meet the definition
What do you mean you defined it?! You just listed 3 things that it isn’t! What does that mean? How is anything decided? How are people motivated to do shit without money? How does society work at all in a stateless system? You defined nothing. By your “definition”, genociding all humans would be communism since it would remove classes, states and money.