I was once talking with one of my classmates and he said that in the future, there will be universal basic income implemented by entire world. I was not convinced at that time and thought he is just being stupid but given the layoffs happening and massive amount of unemployment, I am thinking about this possibility. What do you say?
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No because corps and oligarchs will campaign against it, inexplicably win, and destroy one of the country’s greatest achievements with cheers and applause
Its cynical, but its happened to many social programs thay way.
The rich have done everything they can to increase wealth inequality and brainwash the public into acceptance. That will not be reversed. If they allow UBI it will be below poverty levels and highly conditional.
The wealthy want slaves. Its a mental illness with them. Black people. Underage sex trafficking. Working poor. Robots. Last thing they want is a utopia where everyone is healthy, happy and financially independent.
One of the wealthiest countries in the world doesn’t even have proper healthcare system in 2026. No way are those dumb fucks getting a UBI. Its a lie.
It should be. Also the NIT (Negative Income Tax) so the taxing scheme becomes progressive, rather than regressive. Though I know I’m asking too much because capitalism…
UBI will only come as a response to a new economic depression. The idea that our society will proactively fix itself has been proven wrong time after time.
Humans only learn the hard way.
No, not without sacrificing a welfare program or something else.
Because it’ll be a hard sell to have UBI on top of WIC, SNAP, SSI, Unemployment and other welfare. Something would have to go.
No. Once the people have the time and leisure to think and mingle they might find out who the real source of the problem is. So it’s better to keep your slaves busy and struggling to keep the roof over their head and their belly not empty.
that’s not really how people are, though. if people are happy, they generally see little reason to change something about their situation. everything else is delusional
no lol.
have you ever met a rich person? like a real rich person? they’re arrogant and snobby and think the rest of us have no right to exist. there’s a reason there’s this massive push to implement AI. part of it is to save money but the other part of it is that they legit think that we’re all lesser and AI replacing call centers and fast food jobs will hasten our departure.
we’ll all end up being thrown in a volcano before they implement UBI.
i’d say asia has more of a chance in the long run just because social responsibility is part of culture and that can often act as an antidote to the worst parts of capitalism. south korea can be gross but at least they throw their corrupt leaders in jail…
no chance of this happening in the states.
have you met a rich person?
Yes. They are fucking insufferable assholes who think they are God’s gifts to the earth. I’ve meet oodles and I can count a handful that weren’t absolute shit or total idiots. Eat the rich.
To be honest I’m not fan of UBI. I’m more fond of redistribution of work.
If there’s less things to do due to automatization let’s just all work less hours with full income.
i’m just gonna say it: your assumption that everybody should work is harmful. there’s lots of people who can’t work for medical reasons, but can’t get a doctor’s note either. for example, psychological syndromes are notoriously hard to diagnose.
you’d just create another point of social friction with your attitude.
I think ubi would do that
People have a baseline income and can work less or maybe even not at all if noy necessary. Those that really want more can work and earn more then
I think it will be very important for that to work that we first put wealth caps. Nobody should be able to have a net worth that is an X amount. Anything above that should be taxed 100%. Say, 10 million for example, nice upper limit.
If all the nasocs are covered, free healthcare, free education, UBI, wealth caps, I think we’d live in a near utopia
No way the entire world gets on board, and in a reasonable way. Human psychology stands in the way of that.
Whether it gets experimented and implemented more in some countries - possible - but I don’t see as particularly likely or unlikely.
It’s one solution to resolving the tensions of capitalism and social capitalism and the degradation of social capitalism. Whether it will be UBI or something else, and where - we will see.
It’s that or we all die of heat death.
I feel really sad for what mother Earth is going through and we, her children, are not doing anything to save it.
The billionaires would have to fund it, and I don’t believe for a second they wouldn’t leave us all to starve.
they are the disgrace on humanity.
they will just fund politicians to vote against it, gop is totally on board, theyonly need to fund people like schumer and hakeem.
I in my heart of hearts see UBI as unworkable and inflationary, as universal basic income doesn’t set universal basic buying power which is very hard to do without a socialist system guaranteeing housing, food, etc. I also don’t believe people are ok with a disconnection between work and financial value. Money is one of the few ways to quantify the value of work and humans in general have a need to feel what they do is valued, particularly if it takes up so much of human identity and what they do on a day to day.
as universal basic income doesn’t set universal basic buying power
i disagree. food prices would not go up. prices are set by supply and demand. demand would not change. imagine a society with 1 million people. all of them need to eat, whether they earn their money through wages or get it through UBI. the demand for food does not change. i don’t see a reason why supply would change either. so prices stay the same.
do you have any rational argument against this?
It’s common for retirees or others who are able to cover living costs without paid work to do unpaid work with their religious congregation or for local charities. Being a valued coworker doing work recognized as making the community better doesn’t require being paid.
Alaska has had their Permanent Fund for decades, and it’s not been shown to be inflationary. At some (I believe much) higher amount of money distribution, UBI would be inflationary, sure, but there’s a lot of benefits to be had at lower support levels.
It will never happen.
Not because it is a bad idea; it is an AWESOME idea. Work used to be something you do for the collectivity; you do something for the group, in exchange of something from the group. Today, a work is a mean to earn money, regardless of the collectivity. We do meaningless jobs, which often gives nothing to the collectivity, just because we have a rent to pay, we want vacations and a new car. A universal basic income would completely break this; I would work to bring something to the group, not to reach a stupid objective for the company.
However, there is a fringe of people which will not gain anything from this, even lose leverage and power over the masses: the 1%, the millionaires and billionaires. They will do whatever they can to kill it, saying only freeloaders and foreigners will benefits from it. And the masses will vote against it, and it will be a big victory for capitalism. Until global warming accelerate, we will have nothing to eat anymore and earth will be inhospitable for humans. The end.
UBI is a concession to capitalists. It pacifies the working class while maintaining the system that oppresses us. At best, it’s a band aid. We need full blown socialism. Not “Democratic socialism”, real socialism, in which the workers own and control the means of production. That is the only path to working class liberation.
you mean communism?
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Zionazi, Corporate, Oligarch fascim will put up a good fight. UBI is more power redistribution than any wealth redistribution. It becomes easier for everyone to make a lot of money and get richer. The objection is about reducing fascist totalitarian establishment power.
what do you wanna say?
Establishment does not want power redistribution. Most people look to government as having a role of providing shared prosperity, instead of just forcing you into war and to go die for your King’s amibitions. A conditional welfare system is rationed by political preference, and expensive to police and administer. UBI provides the shared prosperity at a 0 effective tax rate. You’re simply transfering very high income’s taxes to lower income people in a net 0 transaction for the state. With UBI, every corrupt empire spending plan must justify taking away equal cash alternative to every citizen/resident, and so the political power of establishment/rulership representatives is redistributed to the citizenry far better than election promises meant to champion a specific constituency (necessarily at expense of all others) without the obligation to follow through and deliver. More bureaucratic allies of the empire is also a corruption, if their function is fundamentally useless and can be replaced by UBI.
UBI leads to massive economic growth because wealth always trickles up, and redistribution is just step 1 in trickling up to all workers and owners who make more to sell more to broader population that can buy more.
A better closing sentence would have been. The objection to UBI is that the establishment loves more fascist totalitarian power instead of losing that power.
