Tossing food might make those listed costs disappear… if it’s tossed, or rather never harvested or collected, at the source, like on a farm or tree. Wait no even then there’s costs associated.
Just kidding, stopped reading at “market.” That word’s a near sure sign that someone’s definitely swallowed a lot of somethin that ain’t food.
Oh yeah, nobody ever volunteers for anything. Like the red cross. Or as firefighters. Or ten thousand other organizations that contribute to the common good, whereas your contribution seems to be ‘more people should starve to death so the prices of these oranges don’t tank’
Proposing an individual solve a systemic problem is disingenuous. They’re saying that society could fix the problem if it cared to; we are choosing to let kids go hungry as a culture because it “costs too much,” as if the starving child isn’t a too-high cost that we’re already paying.
They’re saying that we need to reevaluate our society’s social priorities, and you’re saying they should give up everything themselves if they care so much— as if that would solve the systemic problem instead of creating another starving person.
systematic problems exist because of individual choices.
you are society. you are traffic, etc.
it’s pathetic, lazy, and shitty to be like ‘someone else should solve this problem, but i can’t do anything about it’.
when you absolutely can. you can absolutely volunteer or donate to a food pantry.
instead of wringing your hands on the internet about this ‘ideal world that should be’ while you do nothing to contribute to it. because it’s easy to sit on your ass and day dream. it’s a lot harder to go do the boring unrewarding work of actually making the world a better place, because when you do that you quickly realized how insignificant you are and how the ‘need’ never ends.
further, if you want to talk about systematic issues of hunger, then you shoudl do that properly and in detail instead fo this high concept moralizing shit. you should actually get into the gritty of how food is produced, shipped, and the numbers involved, but oh no, that’s WORK, that’s difficult and scary. we can’t do that.
The irony is half the idiots who think there should be no world hunger, also don’t understand the implications for what that would require, like a massive expansion of resources, of monoculture, and factory farming. all of which have huge negative externalities.
but again, it’s EASY to sit here and bitch and downvote and idealize and distort a complex reality into a feel good tag line. and it feels good.
understanding how our food supply worlds and the tradeoffs in how it’s structured and the incentives for what things it produced an dhow they are distributed doesn’t feel good. and further, hunger has little to do with any of that and a lot more to do with power and corruption. but hey, why understand any of that when you can just blame grocery stores and farms as selfish evil greedy devils or something, when most of our food supply is a product of government policy.
For someone who started their spiel with “it’s not so simple…” you sure throw out a lot of extremely simplistic suggestions and examples to try and prove your point. Irony.
Also, you think I work a “job”? I suppose in your small simple world anyone who doesn’t clock in and clock out is either homeless or uber rich and successful. Amazing what capitalism can do to brains.
like convince weirdos on the internet they are superior beings because they think ‘capitalism bad’ when they don’t understand how anything works in the real world? because it’s complex and difficult and that hurts their feelings?
anyway, keep daydreaming if that what gets your rocks off.
Buddy, you think people you talk to have to have a high opinion of themself or something?
Pause the ad hominem train for one second even, lol, and maybe consider that most of us “weirdos” are perfectly satisfied just getting day to day with a clear conscience.
And please stop projecting I beg you it hurts both of us more you think 😵. Like do you actually think your juvenile attempts at vitriol isn’t stuff I’ve seen 200,000 times, like 20 years ago? A w k w a r d.
If you actually care about other people even possibly considering what you have to say instead of just laughing at your monologues, try stating only constructive stuff (conservatives hate this one trick!).
i’m not projecting anything dude, do you even use this site?
like 50% of the comments on here are from angry basement dwellers who think the world should collapse and they fantasize about doing mass murder because they think they will the kings when the communist utopia begins.
no, i don’t care about internet people’s opinions about my comments. especially insane ones who get all angry and tell me how my logic is shit when they make the same logical mistakes in their own comments because they know nothing about how logic works or how it’s supposed to be applied and they are only using it as a crude cudgel to feel like they ‘owned’ another person on the internet and they are SMARTER. when most of the time the shit they are talking abotu is objectively wrong and stupid.
i mean, don’t get me wrong. when I was 14 and angry at the world I was a communist too. The difference Is I grew up and decided to take responsibility for myself and stop blaming others. and then i got to watch all my friends fail at life because they refused to make that change that I actively made.
Tossing food might make those listed costs disappear… if it’s tossed, or rather never harvested or collected, at the source, like on a farm or tree. Wait no even then there’s costs associated.
Just kidding, stopped reading at “market.” That word’s a near sure sign that someone’s definitely swallowed a lot of somethin that ain’t food.
cool, then why don’t you work for free then? since the market and money are just all made up concepts that don’t exist.
and clearly material reality has no limits or restrictions.
by the way, nobody is stopping you from giving away ever penny of your own to feed hungry people… but you aren’t doing that… i wonder why…
Oh yeah, nobody ever volunteers for anything. Like the red cross. Or as firefighters. Or ten thousand other organizations that contribute to the common good, whereas your contribution seems to be ‘more people should starve to death so the prices of these oranges don’t tank’
Proposing an individual solve a systemic problem is disingenuous. They’re saying that society could fix the problem if it cared to; we are choosing to let kids go hungry as a culture because it “costs too much,” as if the starving child isn’t a too-high cost that we’re already paying.
They’re saying that we need to reevaluate our society’s social priorities, and you’re saying they should give up everything themselves if they care so much— as if that would solve the systemic problem instead of creating another starving person.
systematic problems exist because of individual choices.
you are society. you are traffic, etc.
it’s pathetic, lazy, and shitty to be like ‘someone else should solve this problem, but i can’t do anything about it’.
when you absolutely can. you can absolutely volunteer or donate to a food pantry.
instead of wringing your hands on the internet about this ‘ideal world that should be’ while you do nothing to contribute to it. because it’s easy to sit on your ass and day dream. it’s a lot harder to go do the boring unrewarding work of actually making the world a better place, because when you do that you quickly realized how insignificant you are and how the ‘need’ never ends.
further, if you want to talk about systematic issues of hunger, then you shoudl do that properly and in detail instead fo this high concept moralizing shit. you should actually get into the gritty of how food is produced, shipped, and the numbers involved, but oh no, that’s WORK, that’s difficult and scary. we can’t do that.
The irony is half the idiots who think there should be no world hunger, also don’t understand the implications for what that would require, like a massive expansion of resources, of monoculture, and factory farming. all of which have huge negative externalities.
but again, it’s EASY to sit here and bitch and downvote and idealize and distort a complex reality into a feel good tag line. and it feels good.
understanding how our food supply worlds and the tradeoffs in how it’s structured and the incentives for what things it produced an dhow they are distributed doesn’t feel good. and further, hunger has little to do with any of that and a lot more to do with power and corruption. but hey, why understand any of that when you can just blame grocery stores and farms as selfish evil greedy devils or something, when most of our food supply is a product of government policy.
Bro, it’s a asklemmy post.
You answer the question with words.
Who blamed grocery stores and farms? I said it was a SYSTEMIC issue, which implies the SYSTEM is to blame, and that we should change that.
Nobody said it’d be easy, just that it’s worth doing despite all the FrEe MaRkEt bloviating.
But keep fighting those straw men, you’re so good at it. Meanwhile, I think we can absolutely afford to feed everyone because it’s demonstrably true.
For someone who started their spiel with “it’s not so simple…” you sure throw out a lot of extremely simplistic suggestions and examples to try and prove your point. Irony.
Also, you think I work a “job”? I suppose in your small simple world anyone who doesn’t clock in and clock out is either homeless or uber rich and successful. Amazing what capitalism can do to brains.
like convince weirdos on the internet they are superior beings because they think ‘capitalism bad’ when they don’t understand how anything works in the real world? because it’s complex and difficult and that hurts their feelings?
anyway, keep daydreaming if that what gets your rocks off.
Buddy, you think people you talk to have to have a high opinion of themself or something?
Pause the ad hominem train for one second even, lol, and maybe consider that most of us “weirdos” are perfectly satisfied just getting day to day with a clear conscience.
And please stop projecting I beg you it hurts both of us more you think 😵. Like do you actually think your juvenile attempts at vitriol isn’t stuff I’ve seen 200,000 times, like 20 years ago? A w k w a r d.
If you actually care about other people even possibly considering what you have to say instead of just laughing at your monologues, try stating only constructive stuff (conservatives hate this one trick!).
i’m not projecting anything dude, do you even use this site?
like 50% of the comments on here are from angry basement dwellers who think the world should collapse and they fantasize about doing mass murder because they think they will the kings when the communist utopia begins.
no, i don’t care about internet people’s opinions about my comments. especially insane ones who get all angry and tell me how my logic is shit when they make the same logical mistakes in their own comments because they know nothing about how logic works or how it’s supposed to be applied and they are only using it as a crude cudgel to feel like they ‘owned’ another person on the internet and they are SMARTER. when most of the time the shit they are talking abotu is objectively wrong and stupid.
i mean, don’t get me wrong. when I was 14 and angry at the world I was a communist too. The difference Is I grew up and decided to take responsibility for myself and stop blaming others. and then i got to watch all my friends fail at life because they refused to make that change that I actively made.
You sure hate mondays, huh?