• Aeao@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I heard a story from Japan where an American business man was sarcastic and the meeting got quiet. He was like “it’s a joke because-“

    “We got it. We just thought it was inappropriate “

  • BillyClark@piefed.social
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    3 months ago

    I’ve done a little bit of language studying and one thing I heard about repeatedly is that people tend to mistakenly believe in their own exceptionalism.

    Like, their own native language has idioms, and they just assumed that other languages didn’t have idioms.

    But we are all humans and languages are all going to exist in support of human communication. Therefore, you should assume that all languages have all major features of expression, including idioms and sarcasm.

    Similarly, cultures are made from humans and to facilitate human interaction, so you should expect that things like sarcasm will exist in every culture.

    • ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.caOP
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      3 months ago

      So sarcasm would exist but not the way we understand it, does it mean that sarcasm is an intrinsic part of human nature?

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        3 months ago

        A basic building block to humor is a subversion of expectations. Sarcasm is just stating things as the opposite of the intended meaning. Sarcasm is, in essence, the base level that most humor is built upon, and because of that is looked down on because it is “easy mode.”

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    3 months ago

    I once heard about a tribe in South America. Say a man had four wives. If he was asked how many wives he had, and in that moment he only could see two of them, he had to answer “I have two wifes”. I wonder if in this culture sarcasm would be a thing.

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      3 months ago

      It seems that people in this culture can only talk about what they see. Or the guy lacks object permanence.

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        2 months ago

        This might be about the languages where the only “numbers” they have are “zero”, “one”, “a few” and “many”.

        If a conversation was held in English, then for the speaker “two” and “four” are synonyms.

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    3 months ago

    Edit: I stand corrected, see replies

    (Not first-hand knowledge) I read somewhere that tonal languages such as Chinese make it difficult to express sarcasm the same way Indo-European languages do, with accent and inflection.

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      3 months ago

      I just did a quick research on tonal languages, it’s quite tricky for a beginner to grasp these subtle expressions. Imagine a life without sarcasm. Brutal. I wonder if they have their own way of conveying it.

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        3 months ago

        Sarcasm can be conveyed non-verbally. Through facial expressions, gestures or situational context for example. The core concept is not bound to specific languages but to the social/cognitive ability of the communicators, I’d say. Young children have a very hard time with sarcasm, regardless of where they’re born.

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        3 months ago

        Even in English, sarcasm can be delivered very dryly in a way that would be undetectable without knowing context. It doesn’t need to be spoken with exaggerated tones. I do it too much.

        • Tuuktuuk@nord.pub
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          2 months ago

          Yeah.

          Impossible conveying a message of sarcasm if people cannot hear my voice.
          That’s why there’s no sarcasm in the Internet.